SeaEnergy Live Discussion

Live Discuss Polls Ratings
Page

woodcroft53 03 Jun 2016

Its official then! No return anticipated for shareholders - Hope the thieving useless directors lose their houses and cars!

forwardloop 17 May 2016

update [link]

Tentative Predator 27 Apr 2016

Re: Adios! Sorry to see this, and sorry you are right. I analysed them a few times (this might be my last one [link] ), and every analysis showed a textbook value destruction decision having proceeded from the previous analysis.Pity, it could have all gone the other way, but all their decisions were those that would come good only in a boom market (get into new businesses with long term growth projections but short term costly, buy high growth business, hang on to a large stake in a risk investment) which are just totally wrong for a low growth world economy unless you have enough dosh to ride out the cycle.

woodcroft53 27 Apr 2016

Adios! "London-listed SeaEnergy has requested a suspension of its shares while it takes advice from insolvency practitioners after failing to raise funds to allow it to continue trading beyond May."Don't blame the POO for this debacle - blame the absolutely useless management who ran the company into the ground while sucking up fat salaries out of investors cash.

woodcroft53 07 Mar 2016

Selling The Crown Jewels Word is they are selling off the only worthwhile assets that the company has - probably to pay the directors redundancy pay off at investors expense. This has been a never ending nightmare since Ramco days and has only served to pay some fat salaries to the chosen few for years on end. I have already kissed my money goodbye.

aces and eights 04 Mar 2016

Re: going south Gone..Au revoir...

delightful 04 Mar 2016

Re: going south 1p 2p now. 0p soon.

delightful 12 Feb 2016

Re: going south 2.5p 3.0p now. 0p soon.

aces and eights 01 Dec 2015

Are Mms trying to get some interest in these shares??

forwardloop 25 Nov 2015

gloomy [link]

PERPETUAL OPTIMIST 06 Nov 2015

ORDER BOOK ? Proves the worth of the technology. All they need now is to refill the order books with commitment.

SlagChops 09 Oct 2015

Re: Hopes of Revival Good luck. I reckon this is just the MM's suckering people in. Wouldn't be surprised to see a placing soon.

RegalPrince 08 Oct 2015

Hopes of Revival I was in Ramco fifteen years ago with fellow investors like hotrocka. Bones and few others, after demise of Ramco I could not take it anymore. I got in back in SEA when it was 65p I think 7 years ago...and got out at 45p when the trend was not going to my expectation.Hence now I decided to get in back again I would say its Boom or Bust. Good luck Long term shareholder, I will ride the storm with you guys.

delightful 29 Sep 2015

Re: going south 4.5p now. 0p soon.

delightful 18 Sep 2015

going south 6p now. 0p soon.

Page
Rate this company...

Latest from the Community...

AFE09 FebSELLVOG30 NovSELLVOG27 SepBUYKIE19 JulBUYAFE30 JanBUY
private money lender I am a private money lender that give out fast cash no ... ™✓+2347046335241™✓ How to join secret society occult for money ritu... 2347046335241 OFTEN MANY HAS VENTURED INTO SPIRITUAL MEANS OF ACQUIRING LUXURY BUT ONLY FEW GET TO THE PEAK WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUAL WEALTH & LUXURY NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY BACKED UP BUT IT TAKES A GREAT TO PIERCE THE SECRET HEART OF THE SPIRITUAL WORLD IN ORDER TO MAKE A RFEQUEST NOT JUST TO MAKE A REQUEST BUT TO GET ANSWERS AND POSITIVE POSITIVE RESPONSE FOR THE SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF AGE. +2347046335241 WE THE INITIATE MEMBER OF GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD HAVE the BEEN ABLE TO GAIN A SPIRITUAL CLOSE GUARDED SECRET OF ACQUIRING WEALTH POWER & PROTECTION FOR THE GUARDIANS OF AGE THROUGH THE ORDERS OF THE TEMPLE GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD WE KNOW VERY WELL THAT EVERYONE THINKS THEY HAVE ALL IT TAKES TO BE RICH AND FAMOUS NOT MINDING THE FACT THAT ONLY FEW HAS THE ABILITY AND GRACE TO BE WEALTHY, BECAUSE IF MAKING WEALTH WAS THAT EASY EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WEENY. MAKING ENQUIRIES TO JOIN US HERE MIGHT BE OPEN FOR EVERYONE BUT NOT EVERYONE IS ACCEPTED AT THE END OF THE DAY. GRANDSAVALDO OCCULT IS NOT FOR THE RICH OR POOR BUT FOR THE “DESTINED TO BE RICH” IT DOESN’T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM OR WHO YOU THINK YOU’RE, ONCE YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SPIRITUAL HEART OF THERINITY BE ACCEPTED AND TRANSDFORMED FROM POOR TO RICH OR RICH TO RICHER & POWERFUL. ALL GRANDSAVALDO INITIATE MEMBERS ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES LIFE WORTH LIVING NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE IT MIGHT BE CARS HOUSES LUXURIOUS LIFE BUT ONE THING YOU MUST PUT FIRST IS COURAGE AND BEAUTIFULLY HAVE MADE UP HIS OR HER MIND KNOWING THE TASK AHEAD, THOUGH WE DO NOT USE HUMAN BLOOD FOR SACRIFICE BUT DO NOT BE DECEIVED; WE USE ANIMAL BLOOD TO PLEASE THE LORD GUARDIANS OF AGE TO ACCEPT YOU AFTER WHICH YOU’LL BE ENDOWED WITH RICHES AND LUXURY BUT KNOW THAT THERE’S A GRAND PRIZE TO PAY WHICH IS YOU OFFERING YOUR SOUL TO THE LORD LUCIFER AT CERTA}… NOTHING ELSE WILL BE REQUIRED UNTIL YOUR LAST SACRIFICIAL RITE AND MONEY WILL NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM AGAIN UNTIL YOU DIE. THERE 7 SACRED RULES GUIDING THIS SACRED OCCULT WHICH MAKES IT EASY AND THE BEST FRATERNITY TO BELONG, THIS RULES CAN ONLY BE DISCLOSED TO AN ALREADY INITIATED MEMBER, STRICT MEASURES ARE APPLIED IN TERMS OF GREETE YOU GET YOU CLOSE GUARDED SECRETS ARE BEEN GIVING TO YOU DURING YOUR INITIATION RITUAL; DO YOURSELF GOOD BY STAYING AWAY OTHER THAN BRINGING CALAMITY UPON YOURSELF AND HOUSEHOLD. THE GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD WAS FOUNDED IN INDIA BY AFRICAN BROTHERS WHO TOOK DECISION TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF NATURE IN OTHER FOR LIFE TO BE EASY IN THE EARLY DAYS OF ALLAQUATHAMIN, THERE BY MAKING THE HOME OF THE GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD TO BE IN AFRICA, WE HAVE OUR TEMPLES HERE IN AFRICA OF WHICH THE GRAND LODGE TEMPLE HQ IS SITUATED IN A HIDDEN LOCATION IN ASABA DELTA STATE NIGERIA. MANY INDIVIDUALS HAS TAKEN THE RISK OF ATTEMPTING #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ILLUMINATI # I_WANT-TO-JOIN_THE_FREE_MASONS #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ODD_FELLOWS AND MANY OTHER SEARCH REQUESTS; THOUGH THERE’RE OTHER FRATERNITIES LIKE MENTIONED ABOVE BUT THE BAD NEWS IS YOU CAN NEVER BE LINKED TO ANY OF THIS OCCULTS BY ANYONE UNLESS THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU FALSE HOPES THEREBY EXTORTING FROM YOU. BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI, FREE MASONS, ODD FELLOWS AND OTHERS WILL COME FOR YOU ONLY WHEN YOU’RE RICH AND FAMOUS, IN OTHER TO USE YOUR INFLUENCE TO GET TO MORE FAMOUS AND WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND SECONDLY THESE AFRICA IS BELIEVED TO BE THE BLACK SHEEP OF THE CONTINENT THERE BY DISREGARDING WHATEVER CONCERNS AFRICA APART FROM EXTORTION AND ILLEGAL EXPORTATIONS OF MAMA AFRICAS MINERAL RESOURCES; THE GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD OCCULT ACCEPTS ANYONE HENCE YOU’RE HUMAN AND YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SECRET HEART OF THIS BROTHERHOOD BECAUSE OF FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES WE, VE SEALED EVERY ONLINE ENQUIRIES THROUGH FALSE AGENTS OR FALSE CONTACTS PRETENDING TO BE COMING FROM GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD TEMPLE MEDIA, FOR THIS REASON IT’S NOW ON THE DECORITES DECORATED SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF THE {SGM. CHIEF SIR Roland Aguba} …. IF YOU’RE STILL OUT THERE THINKING ON #HOW #TO #JOIN #OCCULT #FOR #MONEY #RITUAL FOR WORK-PROMOTION BUSINESS-GROWTH JOB-PROMOTION FAME POWER WEALTH POLITICAL APPOINTMENT AND OTHER GOOD THINGS OF LIFE CONTACT TEMPLE GRAND MASTERS CALL: +23470463352... #+2347046335241# I want to join occult for money ritual in Nigeria 234704633...
Do you need Finance? Are you looking for Finance? Are you looking for finan... BZT, will it be another 25 bagger? Are you a buyer, seller or holder? Long term investor (dividends) or short...
Rate this company...

Latest from the Community...

AFE09 FebSELLVOG30 NovSELLVOG27 SepBUYKIE19 JulBUYAFE30 JanBUY
private money lender I am a private money lender that give out fast cash no ... ™✓+2347046335241™✓ How to join secret society occult for money ritu... 2347046335241 OFTEN MANY HAS VENTURED INTO SPIRITUAL MEANS OF ACQUIRING LUXURY BUT ONLY FEW GET TO THE PEAK WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUAL WEALTH & LUXURY NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY BACKED UP BUT IT TAKES A GREAT TO PIERCE THE SECRET HEART OF THE SPIRITUAL WORLD IN ORDER TO MAKE A RFEQUEST NOT JUST TO MAKE A REQUEST BUT TO GET ANSWERS AND POSITIVE POSITIVE RESPONSE FOR THE SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF AGE. +2347046335241 WE THE INITIATE MEMBER OF GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD HAVE the BEEN ABLE TO GAIN A SPIRITUAL CLOSE GUARDED SECRET OF ACQUIRING WEALTH POWER & PROTECTION FOR THE GUARDIANS OF AGE THROUGH THE ORDERS OF THE TEMPLE GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD WE KNOW VERY WELL THAT EVERYONE THINKS THEY HAVE ALL IT TAKES TO BE RICH AND FAMOUS NOT MINDING THE FACT THAT ONLY FEW HAS THE ABILITY AND GRACE TO BE WEALTHY, BECAUSE IF MAKING WEALTH WAS THAT EASY EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WEENY. MAKING ENQUIRIES TO JOIN US HERE MIGHT BE OPEN FOR EVERYONE BUT NOT EVERYONE IS ACCEPTED AT THE END OF THE DAY. GRANDSAVALDO OCCULT IS NOT FOR THE RICH OR POOR BUT FOR THE “DESTINED TO BE RICH” IT DOESN’T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM OR WHO YOU THINK YOU’RE, ONCE YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SPIRITUAL HEART OF THERINITY BE ACCEPTED AND TRANSDFORMED FROM POOR TO RICH OR RICH TO RICHER & POWERFUL. ALL GRANDSAVALDO INITIATE MEMBERS ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES LIFE WORTH LIVING NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE IT MIGHT BE CARS HOUSES LUXURIOUS LIFE BUT ONE THING YOU MUST PUT FIRST IS COURAGE AND BEAUTIFULLY HAVE MADE UP HIS OR HER MIND KNOWING THE TASK AHEAD, THOUGH WE DO NOT USE HUMAN BLOOD FOR SACRIFICE BUT DO NOT BE DECEIVED; WE USE ANIMAL BLOOD TO PLEASE THE LORD GUARDIANS OF AGE TO ACCEPT YOU AFTER WHICH YOU’LL BE ENDOWED WITH RICHES AND LUXURY BUT KNOW THAT THERE’S A GRAND PRIZE TO PAY WHICH IS YOU OFFERING YOUR SOUL TO THE LORD LUCIFER AT CERTA}… NOTHING ELSE WILL BE REQUIRED UNTIL YOUR LAST SACRIFICIAL RITE AND MONEY WILL NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM AGAIN UNTIL YOU DIE. THERE 7 SACRED RULES GUIDING THIS SACRED OCCULT WHICH MAKES IT EASY AND THE BEST FRATERNITY TO BELONG, THIS RULES CAN ONLY BE DISCLOSED TO AN ALREADY INITIATED MEMBER, STRICT MEASURES ARE APPLIED IN TERMS OF GREETE YOU GET YOU CLOSE GUARDED SECRETS ARE BEEN GIVING TO YOU DURING YOUR INITIATION RITUAL; DO YOURSELF GOOD BY STAYING AWAY OTHER THAN BRINGING CALAMITY UPON YOURSELF AND HOUSEHOLD. THE GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD WAS FOUNDED IN INDIA BY AFRICAN BROTHERS WHO TOOK DECISION TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF NATURE IN OTHER FOR LIFE TO BE EASY IN THE EARLY DAYS OF ALLAQUATHAMIN, THERE BY MAKING THE HOME OF THE GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD TO BE IN AFRICA, WE HAVE OUR TEMPLES HERE IN AFRICA OF WHICH THE GRAND LODGE TEMPLE HQ IS SITUATED IN A HIDDEN LOCATION IN ASABA DELTA STATE NIGERIA. MANY INDIVIDUALS HAS TAKEN THE RISK OF ATTEMPTING #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ILLUMINATI # I_WANT-TO-JOIN_THE_FREE_MASONS #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ODD_FELLOWS AND MANY OTHER SEARCH REQUESTS; THOUGH THERE’RE OTHER FRATERNITIES LIKE MENTIONED ABOVE BUT THE BAD NEWS IS YOU CAN NEVER BE LINKED TO ANY OF THIS OCCULTS BY ANYONE UNLESS THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU FALSE HOPES THEREBY EXTORTING FROM YOU. BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI, FREE MASONS, ODD FELLOWS AND OTHERS WILL COME FOR YOU ONLY WHEN YOU’RE RICH AND FAMOUS, IN OTHER TO USE YOUR INFLUENCE TO GET TO MORE FAMOUS AND WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND SECONDLY THESE AFRICA IS BELIEVED TO BE THE BLACK SHEEP OF THE CONTINENT THERE BY DISREGARDING WHATEVER CONCERNS AFRICA APART FROM EXTORTION AND ILLEGAL EXPORTATIONS OF MAMA AFRICAS MINERAL RESOURCES; THE GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD OCCULT ACCEPTS ANYONE HENCE YOU’RE HUMAN AND YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SECRET HEART OF THIS BROTHERHOOD BECAUSE OF FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES WE, VE SEALED EVERY ONLINE ENQUIRIES THROUGH FALSE AGENTS OR FALSE CONTACTS PRETENDING TO BE COMING FROM GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD TEMPLE MEDIA, FOR THIS REASON IT’S NOW ON THE DECORITES DECORATED SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF THE {SGM. CHIEF SIR Roland Aguba} …. IF YOU’RE STILL OUT THERE THINKING ON #HOW #TO #JOIN #OCCULT #FOR #MONEY #RITUAL FOR WORK-PROMOTION BUSINESS-GROWTH JOB-PROMOTION FAME POWER WEALTH POLITICAL APPOINTMENT AND OTHER GOOD THINGS OF LIFE CONTACT TEMPLE GRAND MASTERS CALL: +23470463352... #+2347046335241# I want to join occult for money ritual in Nigeria 234704633...
Do you need Finance? Are you looking for Finance? Are you looking for finan... BZT, will it be another 25 bagger? Are you a buyer, seller or holder? Long term investor (dividends) or short...
Page
Rate this company...

Latest from the Community...

AFE09 FebSELLVOG30 NovSELLVOG27 SepBUYKIE19 JulBUYAFE30 JanBUY
private money lender I am a private money lender that give out fast cash no ... ™✓+2347046335241™✓ How to join secret society occult for money ritu... 2347046335241 OFTEN MANY HAS VENTURED INTO SPIRITUAL MEANS OF ACQUIRING LUXURY BUT ONLY FEW GET TO THE PEAK WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUAL WEALTH & LUXURY NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY BACKED UP BUT IT TAKES A GREAT TO PIERCE THE SECRET HEART OF THE SPIRITUAL WORLD IN ORDER TO MAKE A RFEQUEST NOT JUST TO MAKE A REQUEST BUT TO GET ANSWERS AND POSITIVE POSITIVE RESPONSE FOR THE SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF AGE. +2347046335241 WE THE INITIATE MEMBER OF GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD HAVE the BEEN ABLE TO GAIN A SPIRITUAL CLOSE GUARDED SECRET OF ACQUIRING WEALTH POWER & PROTECTION FOR THE GUARDIANS OF AGE THROUGH THE ORDERS OF THE TEMPLE GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD WE KNOW VERY WELL THAT EVERYONE THINKS THEY HAVE ALL IT TAKES TO BE RICH AND FAMOUS NOT MINDING THE FACT THAT ONLY FEW HAS THE ABILITY AND GRACE TO BE WEALTHY, BECAUSE IF MAKING WEALTH WAS THAT EASY EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WEENY. MAKING ENQUIRIES TO JOIN US HERE MIGHT BE OPEN FOR EVERYONE BUT NOT EVERYONE IS ACCEPTED AT THE END OF THE DAY. GRANDSAVALDO OCCULT IS NOT FOR THE RICH OR POOR BUT FOR THE “DESTINED TO BE RICH” IT DOESN’T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM OR WHO YOU THINK YOU’RE, ONCE YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SPIRITUAL HEART OF THERINITY BE ACCEPTED AND TRANSDFORMED FROM POOR TO RICH OR RICH TO RICHER & POWERFUL. ALL GRANDSAVALDO INITIATE MEMBERS ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES LIFE WORTH LIVING NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE IT MIGHT BE CARS HOUSES LUXURIOUS LIFE BUT ONE THING YOU MUST PUT FIRST IS COURAGE AND BEAUTIFULLY HAVE MADE UP HIS OR HER MIND KNOWING THE TASK AHEAD, THOUGH WE DO NOT USE HUMAN BLOOD FOR SACRIFICE BUT DO NOT BE DECEIVED; WE USE ANIMAL BLOOD TO PLEASE THE LORD GUARDIANS OF AGE TO ACCEPT YOU AFTER WHICH YOU’LL BE ENDOWED WITH RICHES AND LUXURY BUT KNOW THAT THERE’S A GRAND PRIZE TO PAY WHICH IS YOU OFFERING YOUR SOUL TO THE LORD LUCIFER AT CERTA}… NOTHING ELSE WILL BE REQUIRED UNTIL YOUR LAST SACRIFICIAL RITE AND MONEY WILL NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM AGAIN UNTIL YOU DIE. THERE 7 SACRED RULES GUIDING THIS SACRED OCCULT WHICH MAKES IT EASY AND THE BEST FRATERNITY TO BELONG, THIS RULES CAN ONLY BE DISCLOSED TO AN ALREADY INITIATED MEMBER, STRICT MEASURES ARE APPLIED IN TERMS OF GREETE YOU GET YOU CLOSE GUARDED SECRETS ARE BEEN GIVING TO YOU DURING YOUR INITIATION RITUAL; DO YOURSELF GOOD BY STAYING AWAY OTHER THAN BRINGING CALAMITY UPON YOURSELF AND HOUSEHOLD. THE GRANDSAVALDO BROTHERHOOD WAS FOUNDED IN INDIA BY AFRICAN BROTHERS WHO TOOK DECISION TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF NATURE IN OTHER FOR LIFE TO BE EASY IN THE EARLY DAYS OF ALLAQUATHAMIN, THERE BY MAKING THE HOME OF THE GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD TO BE IN AFRICA, WE HAVE OUR TEMPLES HERE IN AFRICA OF WHICH THE GRAND LODGE TEMPLE HQ IS SITUATED IN A HIDDEN LOCATION IN ASABA DELTA STATE NIGERIA. MANY INDIVIDUALS HAS TAKEN THE RISK OF ATTEMPTING #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ILLUMINATI # I_WANT-TO-JOIN_THE_FREE_MASONS #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ODD_FELLOWS AND MANY OTHER SEARCH REQUESTS; THOUGH THERE’RE OTHER FRATERNITIES LIKE MENTIONED ABOVE BUT THE BAD NEWS IS YOU CAN NEVER BE LINKED TO ANY OF THIS OCCULTS BY ANYONE UNLESS THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU FALSE HOPES THEREBY EXTORTING FROM YOU. BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI, FREE MASONS, ODD FELLOWS AND OTHERS WILL COME FOR YOU ONLY WHEN YOU’RE RICH AND FAMOUS, IN OTHER TO USE YOUR INFLUENCE TO GET TO MORE FAMOUS AND WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND SECONDLY THESE AFRICA IS BELIEVED TO BE THE BLACK SHEEP OF THE CONTINENT THERE BY DISREGARDING WHATEVER CONCERNS AFRICA APART FROM EXTORTION AND ILLEGAL EXPORTATIONS OF MAMA AFRICAS MINERAL RESOURCES; THE GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD OCCULT ACCEPTS ANYONE HENCE YOU’RE HUMAN AND YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SECRET HEART OF THIS BROTHERHOOD BECAUSE OF FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES WE, VE SEALED EVERY ONLINE ENQUIRIES THROUGH FALSE AGENTS OR FALSE CONTACTS PRETENDING TO BE COMING FROM GRANDSAVALDOBROTHERHOOD TEMPLE MEDIA, FOR THIS REASON IT’S NOW ON THE DECORITES DECORATED SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF THE {SGM. CHIEF SIR Roland Aguba} …. IF YOU’RE STILL OUT THERE THINKING ON #HOW #TO #JOIN #OCCULT #FOR #MONEY #RITUAL FOR WORK-PROMOTION BUSINESS-GROWTH JOB-PROMOTION FAME POWER WEALTH POLITICAL APPOINTMENT AND OTHER GOOD THINGS OF LIFE CONTACT TEMPLE GRAND MASTERS CALL: +23470463352... #+2347046335241# I want to join occult for money ritual in Nigeria 234704633...
Do you need Finance? Are you looking for Finance? Are you looking for finan... BZT, will it be another 25 bagger? Are you a buyer, seller or holder? Long term investor (dividends) or short...