Schadenfreude
08 Jun 2015
Re: BMR Stream Log Good grief Bugle, you are right...is WAS LJC!!!! I remember the orchestrated smokescreen about paid deramping stories and ulterior motives of those who tried desperately to alert PIs to the shameful tactics of Masoud and his bulletin board team. All the signs were there, but there's none so blind as those that will not see
Bugle
05 Jun 2015
Yes, now I remember who it was. It was LJC, the one on lse bb that says we are banned from other boars for stock manipulation. You couldnt make this up. Could you ?
scotchoverice
05 Jun 2015
Jeremiah - do the maths...you'd be right if there was no dilution to come...but what is £50m divided by 613,000,000 shares?
Bugle
05 Jun 2015
Perhaps the most don't read this board any longer because they dont like the sense of realism. It pains me to say this but Schaden is one of the very few that called this correctly. No matter which way you look at this, things are pretty grim. Cant keep blaming mm's fun and games, they must have a pretty weird sense of humour to take this from 6 whole pence/share to where you can almost buy 3 for a penny
JamPlease
05 Jun 2015
I do remember, they wouldn't have the nerve to still be around surely? Or even trumpeting that they are still buying shares? Who was that?
Schadenfreude
05 Jun 2015
Jam, Bugle was mentioning the very, very dubious issue relating to the 'leaked' Chinese news published on the boards (you might remember the whole whohaa relating to that at the time...and the big rise in the SP of course). Can you recall who was the poster responsible for this, as it's been suggested that there was a Masoud led link to this deceit/misinformation?
JamPlease
05 Jun 2015
Yes fine thanks. No apologies whatsoever. The BOD have an obligation to carry out due diligence on behalf of the shareholders and the old team of reprobates appear to have got off more or less scot-free. Hopefully for the long term holders this new lot do their jobs properly. They need a full BFS as a minimum to reassure this is not a repeat debacle.
Schadenfreude
05 Jun 2015
Hey Jam, I'm fine and dandy thanks...you? It is a shame for those duped by Masoud and his bulletin board team, but there's plenty of evidence here to suggest that many still haven;t learned from their catastrophic mistakes. They will look for new mugs as you say...and they will find some. Just thinking about the vile abuse targeted at people like me for selling out at around 5p...oh my word, that's 50p in today's money 
What PIs wouldn't do for 50p now!!!! Worst thing is that NOT ONE of the ramping team has apologised for their role in this debacle
JamPlease
05 Jun 2015
Hi shady....how you doing? It's a shame for everyone involved that nothing has really changed (just talk of what might be possible, still nothing sufficiently proven financially viable) and they are looking for new mugs to suck in sadly.
Schadenfreude
05 Jun 2015
Well someone got lucky in bailing out over 200k shares at 3.85p (0.38p)...quite unbelievable to think that so many shares gave him under £8k!!!!...can't help but wonder how much he lost on his investment here. Is the ramping team still waiting for 200p (20p old money) to sell?
Schadenfreude
05 Jun 2015
Re: BMR Stream Log Bugle, yes, the LSE team tend to look at every word here forensically before sending off complaints to the DTM admin! I hope they can help on this occasion. I too remember the bunting and celebrations and I find it difficult to believe that PIs haven't questioned the motives of those involved with unearthing this 'research' gem. Was it someone connected to the Google 'if you knew what we knew' Group perhaps? Not sure how some people sleep at night.
Bugle
05 Jun 2015
Schaden, Heaven forbid that I would accuse anyone of trying to mislead the boards for their own gain, or aid someone else in deceit. It did seem strange at the time and even stranger that nothing has been mentioned of it since. I know most of those on lse bb read this page too so maybe they have read this and could explain. Not sure who it was now but I remember they got a lot of praise from others.
Schadenfreude
05 Jun 2015
Re: BMR Stream Log Morning Bugle...I'd almost forgotten about that! Now surely you're not suggesting that the person responsible for the leaked Chinese photos was directly a pawn or propagandist for Masoud? Because this would suggest he was guilty of quite a serious deception...either maliciously or unwittingly misleading PIs on Masoud's behalf would be seen as something quite despicable (and quite probably illegal), I would think. I can't remember who it was (do you know?), but is this what you are suggesting?
scotchoverice
05 Jun 2015
I take a long view but see the writing on the wall...but let me start with a question: If JH can see $880m of gross value in the tailings, why did AB rubbish the balance sheet to £9m? Now I haven't managed to calculate the gross to net relationship but you'd hope it was more than 2%....so, if AB gave a hoot about existing shareholders, he would have 1. Shown how the existing asset base underpinned a 2p share price (undiluted) 2. Made clear that future capital raisings were on an open offer basis first (giving shareholders first dibbs at whether to dilute or not) 3. He would have gone after MA's London pad in St. John's wood and his palatial residence in Camps Bay South Africa......frankly - if he has asked shareholders to help with this - they might well have put their hands in their pockets.....shareholders have been raped by MA - and AB is, in my view, part of the AIM establishment who cover for each other at the expense PIs - which, of course, what AIM is structured to facilitate. That these 3 actions weren't taken must lead everyone to ask how value will be created? Let's assume for a moment that the SP might at some point equate to 50% of the gross asset value identified by JH - so $880m gross becomes $440m net / £275m - that's a 55x increase in value - you can almost hear the ramping crew shouting out the mercurial virtues of AB...But hold on..... There will at this point be at least 613,000,000 shares in circulation - I say at least because with the relative ease AB had in getting current shareholders to nod through the extra 500m shares now; it is entirely foreseeable that future additional raisings will not be resisted. If you want to see how so much confetti can be arranged go look at the history of Red Rock Resources....so, for conservatism, let's apply a range of scenarios from 500m shares to 1.5billion shares in circulation by the time the £275m valuation is reached So - with 500million shares - the BMR sp would be 55p; at 613m shares 45p; with 1billion shares 27.5p and 1.5billion 18.3p Let's assume also that the average SP existing holders, pre suspension and dilution paid was 2.25p - or 22.5p today - some will be higher others lower - but let's be clear if the company does get to 1.5billion shares - existing holders will have a long wait and never get close to breakeven And the best scenario - (i.e. 55p which would double original investors capital (hallelujah)) must be taken with a pinch of salt. There is no time determination for getting there and has so many optimistic caveats around it as to make discounting the possibility of success significantly, the prudent line of consideration So who will make money? The answer lies is in who picks up the new shares - 250million this year and at what discount and conditions they receive on issue. These will not be offered to pis but more likely to the HNW AIM network of individuals and institutions..... MTR remain an option - of course AB would have to deny this now publicly - it is not for him to announce or discuss when there is no deal on offer...and allegedly he said MTR would not be investing in BMR - maybe. Maybe not now BUT maybe when a capital raising appears they may take a different view. Look at their business model. They took a punt on New World Oil & Gas. Crucially, given MTR's business model and AB being their CFO - BMR shareholders should be rather more concerned if MTR do not participate. If AB wearing his MTR CFO hat don't see value creation in BMR from the current position, then existing BMR shareholders are truly destroyed The worst of all scenarios is to see the names YORKVILLE, CORNHILL etc associated with any placings. Their MO is to negotiate low value entry points, pump and dump and leave PIs over excited, over exposed. They are the PIs nightmare - so watch carefully Investing and speculating carries opportunity cost. But the hardest call is to realise losses and move on...it is also the realists call. Sad to say, existing pis have lost and like turkey's voted for their own extinction at the AGM. You can look mournfully at your losses or you can rethink your investment plans. I have rebalanced my portfolio and taken a view that MTR has more potential for medium value creation than BMR because 1. It has a lower market value 2. Lower number of shares today in circulation 3. Has exposure to more opportunities 4. Has a more consolidated shareholder base 5. May well turn out to be a participant in the BMR upswing - so you might regain an indirect position (may but not guaranteed) The point is AIM is a game played at the expense of PIs. The companies, NOMADs, MMs, Bulletin Boards and Absentee regulators create a facade of legitimacy. The challenge is to try and avert your gaze from what they want you to see and try and figure out what it is they are trying to do. GLA whatever you decide
Bugle
04 Jun 2015
Could someone explain the debacle that occurred when someone on lse suddenly discovered photos online of some Chinese signing agreements with MA. Wasnt Ma then forced to to issue an RNS of some sorts ? It all seems very strange to me and wondered if someone could explain what happened in more detail
